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    Some facts to confuse those who believe immigrants come here to claim welfare benefits and live in .

    Warning: The truth is rarely pure and never simple

    IZA DP No. 6144

    Stephen Drinkwater, Catherine Robinson:

    Welfare Participation by Immigrants in the UK

    Welfare participation is an important indicator of how successfully immigrants perform in the host country. This paper examines this issue for the UK, which has experienced a large growth in its immigrant flows and population levels in recent years, especially following EU enlargement in 2004. The analysis focuses in particular on the types of benefits that immigrants tend to claim as well as examining differences by area of origin. It also examines the factors that determine social benefit claims, including an investigation of the impact of education, ethnicity and years since migration. Social welfare claims vary considerably by immigrant group as well as by the type of benefit claimed in the UK. There is also some variation by gender within the migrant groups.

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    I studied at the European Business School of Swansea University 1990 to 1994; don't recognise the authors offhand but several years have passed by and even the name of the department has changed (used to come under the faculty of Engineering).

    From table 3 I note that in 2009 approximately 29 million people were working of whom about 25.3 were UK born and about 3.7 million were born outside of the UK.

    I would imagine that the extra 14.6% added to our own workforce have added considerably to our economic wellbeing; especially as the other statisitcs seem to indicate that with all their problems immigrants claim only slightly more welfare benefits that our native born protoplasm.

    I am too busy to read the abstract at the moment so have no idea if the statistics include political refugees.

    It's sad to think that being able to work should be a human right, but that many genuine political refugees desperate to work are not allowed to work until their status has been fully ascertained (which can take a long time).

    Nice to know, that in the present economic crisis, that youngsters in the UK determined to find work can always move to Germany where youth unemployment is lower!

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    To emigrate you need two essential ingredients. The first being hope that you are going to find a better life than the Hell Hole you are currently living in. Srecondly the new environment has to be at least non threatening and even very helpful,with attendant opportunities. Britain is in the eyes of the World such a destination. America used to be ,but it is now hostile to enter and help is almost non existent, and the American dream has failed under the weight of immigration, and even changed its Anglo Saxon profile. Australia and New Zealand are now very choosy whom is allowed admittance. Britain with its over generous benefit system, and freedoms is now a magnate for half the world to just get here. It s resources are stretched to the limit and opportunities have dried up fast under EU employment Law and will continue to get even scarcer as Brussels tries to impose yet more costly ,pointless, employment Law on Britain. The immigrant will even more turn to the benefit system for support, and those from Europe will even claim benefits for dependants back in their own Country under edict from Brussels. Eventually the system will be so burdensome the population will change the Politics radically, and there are already recognised signs that just this is happening. It is the Goose that laid the Golden Egg being swamped by shear volume and dying under the weight.

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    Several times you have quite clearly stated:

    "and those from Europe will even claim benefits for dependants back in their own Country under edict from Brussels"

    Where do you get this information from?

    Whare are they claiming from? (i.e. which government is paying?)

    There is a difference between if you arrive in another EU country unemployed or work in another EU country and gain their benefits from your contributions and subsequently become unemployed in the other country.

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    I'm not sure, but believe benefits are paid for from the country the person became unemployed [if you arrive in an unemployed state] and there is some system to make the contra payments when paid by an unemployment agency in another EU country.

    You can't move from say the UK to Sweden and demand their higher unemployment benefits or we'd have mass migration of unemployed people moving from countries with low unemployment benefits to those with the best; the EU isn't quite as stupid as you like to make out it is!

    I did find this:

    "I'm an EU national looking for a job in another EU country
    If you are unemployed, you can move to one or more EU countries to look for work and continue to receive the unemployment benefits you are entitled to in the country where you became unemployed.

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    You can only do this if you are:
    an EU national
    wholly unemployed (not partially or intermittently)
    entitled to receive unemployment benefits in the country where you became unemployed.
    You would then be paid the same amount as before directly to your bank account in the country where you became unemployed. In principle, you can stay for up to 3 months in another country, but your home job centre might allow you to remain abroad for up to 6 months if you ask."

    Graham, just because you keep repeating that we give unemployment benefits to the dependents of unemployed foreigners in their home country doesn't make it true; I'd be grateful to know where you get this information from.

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    Although we have disagreed in the past (I think), thank you for clarifying the rhetoric from the previous posting. I couldn't agree more and wish more that the bright headlights of facts reach into the dark places where lies, damn lies and prejudice reside.

    It is so banal, lazy and boring to have the recycled views that Europe is bad and immigrants rip off the social security system constantly reiterated. Just because it is said enough times (unfortunately) such views gain credance. I do recall reading an article in the Times a few years ago which "extolled" (I exaggerate!) the possibility of a UK unemployed person going to Poland and living like a king (well comfortably) on UK social security payments. (The cost of living being significantly less than in the UK.) I doubt many enterprising UK citizens even briefly considered this option. And although satirical at its heart, the article did give me pause to think.

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